This is just a tid-bit on what you can or should expect when a person who is familiar to an internet group and suddenly leaves or decides that their removal was wrongful.

1) that person will lurk in and around the facility with limited interaction as they are surveying the acts of others.

2) That person will begin a form of recruitment looking for allies with whom they can share their fate and comunicate about it to them rallying a sympathetic ear to their cause. Someone to talk to .

3) they may make posts speaking more indepth about how they have been mistreated and attept to launch several well formed rebel-style complaints. Pressing the boundary of respect for the internet place the were once apart of b.) making posts of do you miss me?
c.) unfairness or other accusations toward the ones who may have been responsible for their dismissal

4) if posting privelages have been removed they will falsely identify themselves psuedononomously and launch attacks seemingly created to allow their other identity the opportunity to rebutt the posts or texts with such illumination and fothrightness as if their posts was needed and necessary to straighten out the whole of the ordeal.

5)Finally, They could very well apologize and systematically be the voice of contrariness lashing out at others in controlled bursts being radically different from the main group. Inconsitent in temperment thoughts and feelings and unappealing yet, alarming; by off the cuff incongruetious remarks, statements and acts that fray the very fabic of the social context intended by the forums creation.

The internet is an interesting place it creates many allusion that portray a framework of identity to many and represent conveyed sentiments if only in text. This is also the same way a person is recognized by icons, avatars and screennames. These all register as a value and rekindle any personal knowledge as a form of relatedness which is unique to the reader about that of the author.

SO keep in mind there are living breathing people behind all of this and that we can speak to those people. It is not about speaking our minds so much as it is talking to one another.

Enjoy!

P.S. Why would ayone want to leave and become so angry as if they are not valued here. Appreciation for the artists is indeed one thing, appreciation for the individual natures of those around you can be something else. Ironically, this really is not about us. But many times it can feel that way - not saying that it is - just saying yes it can feel that way. Not that, it is not that way at all. If you have Q: ask. better to get the right answer than to go stomping off under the impression of the wrong answer.

G.

For the record Gareth the only memeber to date that has taken these actions thus far is the infamous Fabi. And heck he is a troll .

Gareth...what's up with this???

I'm not sure how to take this, especially being a member who left but did come back after resolving some issues via private messages with those involved. Kind of odd timing with this post...don't you think??

Sometimes it's best not to ask questions or post comments if you aren't familiar or involved with the situation that occurred.

CT

P.S. It seems you are "accusing" some of the members who left as coming back on the forum under hidden names, etc...This is a big leap to make and the implication is very serious...

GARETH..IM NOT SURE WHAT YOUR TRYING TO SAY BUT IT SEEMS YOU ARE TRYING TO PUT OTHERS IN THE FORUM DOWN AND BELITTLE THEM MY QUESTION TO YOU IS WHY ARE YOU STIRRING UP STUFF WHEN YOU DONT KNOW ALL OF THE FACTS GARETH THIS IS NOT YOUR USUAL POSTS THAT WE ALL LOVE ...MARCI

Actually, marci and angus, I think gareth just read something old that lead him to write this post!

Maybe his post is good to be as a kind of warning for when these things happen we would be advise to the behaviour of some people.

I never saw that he wanted to put the others down and it seems that he didn't even related what happened to anyone.

Please don't get mad with each other...I thought everything was allready forgoten!

Peace to you all!

Love
Mário

everyone here is wonderful..check out my avatar im in heaven. lets celebrate life love and laughter life is too short for discord ok. much luv sue xx

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Originally posted by Ritaluvsyurup:
For the record Gareth the only memeber to date that has taken these actions thus far is the infamous Fabi. And heck he is a troll .

HECK HE IS A TROLL

ROFL
/I.

The fact of the matter is that the implications of Gareth's post should not be serious at all. He is entitled to say whatever he chooses... and has done a fine job of stating his piece, even if it does leave room for questions. He hasn't called anyone names or any of that, but only disagreed with some things he's read apparently.

This is a catch 22 for me, because when I did remove some topics (read "remove" instead of delete) I got a number of emails re posts missing, etcetera and that that happens from time to time... like Glendamax's post as well. So I put them back up... and we continue to deal with water under the bridge. Well, if you'd prefer those kinds of things remain in view on the forum, we will continue to deal with them...

Just how it goes. Like I said about a year ago, I'd like for there to eventually be different groups here... perhaps a group of 20 who are into technology. Another 30 who are really nice and like to make people feel at home... another 15 that...

So because Gareth has gone against the grain here... I don't know. I am pleased that he felt comfortable doing so... And so should you. He was your friend and continues to be... We all have conflict from time to time, but if we criticize his sentiments and turn our backs when he has stated a point, without insulting anyone, then who is really at fault?

Let It Be...Paul McCartney (Beatles) When I find myself in times of trouble
Mother mary comes to me
Speaking words of wisdom, let it be.
And in my hour of darkness
She is standing right in front of me
Speaking words of wisdom, let it be.
Let it be, let it be.
Whisper words of wisdom, let it be.

And when the broken hearted people
Living in the world agree,
There will be an answer, let it be.
For though they may be parted there is
Still a chance that they will see
There will be an answer, let it be.
Let it be, let it be. yeah
There will be an answer, let it be.

And when the night is cloudy,
There is still a light that shines on me,
Shine on until tomorrow, let it be.
I wake up to the sound of music
Mother mary comes to me
Speaking words of wisdom, let it be.
Let it be, let it be.
There will be an answer, let it be.
Let it be, let it be,
Whisper words of wisdom, let it be.

Gareth was clearly referring to (indeed, the infamous, as Rita said) Fabi. He throws tantrums after he gets banned from the forum or someone says something to him that he doesn't like. Is it acceptable? No, of course it's not. He's an adolescent guy with a temper, and my advice is to not respond on him. It only adds more fuel to the fire. Don't let it hold you back from posting though; this is a place where you should be able to communicate freely with everyone. I feel this place is filled with love and respect for each other, let's continue to keep it that way

Gareth is of course entitled to his opinions and i wanted him to explain his post a little bit more...That's all...

I'm not mad...a little perturbed but not mad. Hoping Gareth will clarify. Want to make sure we are all on the same page. And also point out that posts can be read a variety of ways.

CT

good points you made micheal and i will respect gareths poinyts of view cause has alot of good things to say 1LOVE mARCI

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Originally posted by Angusmacg:
Gareth is of course entitled to his opinions and i wanted him to explain his post a little bit more...That's all...

I'm not mad...a little perturbed but not mad. Hoping Gareth will clarify. Want to make sure we are all on the same page. And also point out that posts can be read a variety of ways.

CT

That's true Angus, posts can be interpreted in many ways. I know you're not mad, I just thought I'd clear things up a little I don't think Gareth was referring to members who suddenly left and then came back again after a while. I didn't even know you had left a while ago, but it's good to have you back

Angusmacg :

I feel I owe you an opology. You are NOT right that I was talking about you. However, I did use your situation to make my post (perhaps it was you I forgot who it was that had a thing with the moderator and had wanted to leave). I don't have any need in my life to accuse people directly. After all it is not about me. Most of my posts are really just informative (information etc..). Even still something so close to you I did not take into consideration on how that would have made you feel and for that I do apologize for putting my foot into things while speaking.

With all of that being said. I did not send any notes to people saying good-bye or good riddens, nor did I really expect that this (disappearence of posts: server snafu) could not be handled by Michael and Fast Changes. In my post I was talking about people that were REMOVED w/ later emphasis placed on being that they cannot post under an original name but create another to do so. Seemingly, it is just bad timing but, where else do we find things that remind us of something else - without the reminders.

Noone here has offended me I am not out to get anyone. Just a tid-bit of info for people to chew.

I <3 FAB


G.

Also, and not so importantly. I did leave a final remark at the end of my original post on this thread hoping others involved with this situation would stop and look and ask a question. That being so that we do not loose good people/friends. Before anyone replies yes, I probably should not have gotten anywhere close to someone's personal situation. I felt as though I did not. I built a fire a safe distance away from another small fire but, probably used alot of gasoline in doing so. Therefore, I ask you to take yourself out of any oe situation and read what I had posted. I really tried to be the 'voice of reason' this.

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P.S. Why would ayone want to leave and become so angry as if they are not valued here. Appreciation for the artists is indeed one thing, appreciation for the individual natures of those around you can be something else. Ironically, this really is not about us. But many times it can feel that way - not saying that it is - just saying yes it can feel that way. Not that, it is not that way at all. If you have Q: ask. better to get the right answer than to go stomping off under the impression of the wrong answer.

We are not the only internet group that exists and this is not the only internet group we may participate in in out lifetimes. I think the biggest point I wanted to get across to everyone is to not get the wrong answer and go stomping off but, to ask if the answer is as it appears or is there another answer given the circumstances. Seemingly it is always about us. But it really is not. It is just that that is what we are going through so the message pertains much more meaningfully. But, interestingly enough there are many realities that exist at the same time ( this is not me talking in platitudes here) just saying, "I will be more cautious of how I direct my text and comments thoughts and ideas so as to not be directly in someone's footsteps that have left ordeal or under the care of our moderators". Look it is a Troll. Please, feel free to flame me and send me private messages telling me how screwed up I am. Please Fab Please. I say this FOR ALL our Benefit (FAB).

G.

Gareth. good points. I'm not sure what happened here and wasn't sure how to interpret your post but hey you explained it.

I am liking this group more and more and look forward to catching up on Seal.

Poopster

Gareth,

Thank you. I know in the beginning of your post you were intending that for Fabi but when you included the latter section (P.S.) of your post you were linking the two thoughts/discussions together.

FYI: the members who left did not do so because they "felt unappreciated" they did so for personal reasons and issues that arose in a private message. The individuals that left are well-respected in the forum and have helped build it to where it is today. Although your post is correct with regards to teh big picture not everything is black and white.

You and I may disagree. There is the old axiom of "Don't Judge a book by it's cover". Here is an instance of where this holds true.

CT